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Post by joediplomat on Feb 22, 2015 19:48:27 GMT
January 25th, 1937
"So let me get this right...You Americans are willing to assist us gain independence by bombing British installations before we move in and secure the cities. Then your marines will move in an reinforce us?" "Exactly. The US has extremely long bomber capability and range. We can have supplies and reinforcements to you soon after the bombing raids have ended." "When do these raids begin?"
"Soon. We are scheduled to launch our invasion of Canada the first week of February." ""That does not leave much time. Where will you be invading?"
"We first are invading Nova Scotia. Followed by our bombing runs over Ottawa and Montreal." "What do you plan to do about the Royal Navy?"
"That much I cannot say. The British are not expecting these attacks. They must happen quickly if we are to have the element of surprise. But it is expected that with the element of surprise the Royal Navy will be no where close enough to come to aid their forces. Besides US Submarine fleets are among the best in the world. Any British ships try getting close we will turn them back or sink them." "Very well thought out plan."
"The US is further ready to make a concession to you. Aid us in these attack and when the war is over and the British have surrendered we will hand over whatever Canadian territory we have to the Quebecois as a sign of Friendship...I'm sure you are aware that we do control the Great Lakes Peninsula." "Indeed we are aware...You have a deal American. We work together, train together, fight together. We get weapons and supplies from you and in return we get independence."
"That's what we are offering you. Now if there is nothing more lets get these attacks underway. You should go and prepare your forces as well..." "We will be prepared. Thank You."
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Post by Ahovking on Feb 23, 2015 12:57:05 GMT
Edited Post due to the shortness and lack of detail. Due to the lack of number of ship the US add in the Atlantic i am guess.
Note: A combined force 10 Carriers 45 Battleships, 65 Battlecruisers, 150 Frigates, 200 Heavy Cruisers 300 Destroyers 625 Submarines attack the US Naval Fleets patrol in the Atlantic alerting the Americans of an British attack, Sinking 3 Battleships, 11 destroyers and 9 heavy cruisers before they escaped to the US Eastern Coast, while losing 2 Battlecruisers and 1 Battleships, British overwhelming fire power saved 2 Battleships and another 2 Heavy Cruisers for being too heavily damage to continue, and another 5 Carriers to enough air superiority at sea.
Once the British arrived at the american east cost its naval force split into two forces fleet 1) 5 Carriers 5 Escort Carriers, 25 Battleships 65 Battlecruisers 125 Frigates 100 Heavy Cruisers 200 Destroyers 425 Submarines to engage with with American naval forces and Fleet 2) 5 Carriers 10, 25 Battleships 35 Battlecruisers 25 Frigates 100 Heavy Cruisers 100 Destroyers 200 Submarines to protect the first unit form Bombers, Submarines and to provide replacement of a ship once it had sunk.
After the battle almost 40 British Battleships, 35 Battlecruisers, 150 Frigates, 300 Heavy Cruisers 100 Destroyers 125 Submarines were lost while crushing the American Atlantic fleet
British bombers begun to attack costal cities and ports willing up to 200,000 civilians, although this can not be confirmed.
England sends message to the US, about an early end to the war, before it gets out of hand.
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Post by ax3hunter on Feb 23, 2015 13:08:24 GMT
Note: England has send almost 250 submarine to attack and disrupt costal trading and shipping as well as attacking naval targets, and almost 300 battleships around 5 Air carriers with almost 250 bombers and fighters to attack costal cities, while Heavy loses are expected, England for the next six months will be able to replace most bombers easily. American towns for the first time are bombed from a foreign power including New York City, first bomb raids as well as naval attacks have killed up to 200,000 civilians. England sends message to the US, about an early end to the war, before it gets out of hand. ummmmm Ahovking. I don't know about you but didn't the US just bombed all the major cities (sans Vancouver) in Canada therefore destroying most of the major airfields that are in range to major US Cities? and as i remembered it. Mouseman didn't develop any type of long range bomber whatsoever (and even that i would have my doubts of any bomber crossing such a vast ocean that is the Atlantic). |
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Post by Ahovking on Feb 23, 2015 13:14:23 GMT
Note: England has send almost 250 submarine to attack and disrupt costal trading and shipping as well as attacking naval targets, and almost 300 battleships around 5 Air carriers with almost 250 bombers and fighters to attack costal cities, while Heavy loses are expected, England for the next six months will be able to replace most bombers easily. American towns for the first time are bombed from a foreign power including New York City, first bomb raids as well as naval attacks have killed up to 200,000 civilians. England sends message to the US, about an early end to the war, before it gets out of hand. ummmmm Ahovking. I don't know about you but didn't the US just bombed all the major cities (sans Vancouver) in Canada therefore destroying most of the major airfields that are in range to major US Cities? and as i remembered it. Mouseman didn't develop any type of long range bomber whatsoever (and even that i would have my doubts of any bomber crossing such a vast ocean that is the Atlantic). May i point out the 5 Aircraft carriers? and it should be 150 not 250. |
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Post by ax3hunter on Feb 23, 2015 13:21:35 GMT
ummmmm Ahovking. I don't know about you but didn't the US just bombed all the major cities (sans Vancouver) in Canada therefore destroying most of the major airfields that are in range to major US Cities? and as i remembered it. Mouseman didn't develop any type of long range bomber whatsoever (and even that i would have my doubts of any bomber crossing such a vast ocean that is the Atlantic). May i point out the 5 Aircraft carriers? and it should be 150 not 250. True. But going to the US east coast without getting detected by the US Navy (especially in a time of war) is highly questionable at best and impossible to do at worst. Do note that a major chunk of the US navy is located in the east coast right now and i would highly doubt Britain's ability to send 5 Aircraft Carriers undetected, unscathed and bombing New York City (note the US is at war and is in high alert) and killing 200.000 thousand civilians without even a plane shot down (you didn't say any plane was shot down).....i think that's a bit unrealistic no? |
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Post by Ahovking on Feb 23, 2015 13:56:19 GMT
May i point out the 5 Aircraft carriers? and it should be 150 not 250. True. But going to the US east coast without getting detected by the US Navy (especially in a time of war) is highly questionable at best and impossible to do at worst. Do note that a major chunk of the US navy is located in the east coast right now and i would highly doubt Britain's ability to send 5 Aircraft Carriers undetected, unscathed and bombing New York City (note the US is at war and is in high alert) and killing 200.000 thousand civilians without even a plane shot down (you didn't say any plane was shot down).....i think that's a bit unrealistic no? Post edit due to the shortness and lack of detail. |
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Post by ax3hunter on Feb 23, 2015 14:03:33 GMT
Edited Post due to the shortness and lack of detail. Due to the lack of number of ship the US add in the Atlantic i am guess. Note: A combined force 10 Carriers 45 Battleships, 65 Battlecruisers, 150 Frigates, 200 Heavy Cruisers 300 Destroyers 625 Submarines attack the US Naval Fleets patrol in the Atlantic alerting the Americans of an British attack, Sinking 3 Battleships, 11 destroyers and 9 heavy cruisers before they escaped to the US Eastern Coast, while losing 2 Battlecruisers and 1 Battleships, British overwhelming fire power saved 2 Battleships and another 2 Heavy Cruisers for being too heavily damage to continue, and another 5 Carriers to enough air superiority at sea. Once the British arrived at the american east cost its naval force split into two forces fleet 1) 5 Carriers 5 Escort Carriers, 25 Battleships 65 Battlecruisers 125 Frigates 100 Heavy Cruisers 200 Destroyers 425 Submarines to engage with with American naval forces and Fleet 2) 5 Carriers 10, 25 Battleships 35 Battlecruisers 25 Frigates 100 Heavy Cruisers 100 Destroyers 200 Submarines to protect the first unit form Bombers, Submarines and to provide replacement of a ship once it had sunk. After the battle almost 40 British Battleships, 35 Battlecruisers, 150 Frigates, 300 Heavy Cruisers 100 Destroyers 125 Submarines were lost while crushing the American Atlantic fleetBritish bombers begun to attack costal cities and ports willing up to 200,000 civilians, although this can not be confirmed. England sends message to the US, about an early end to the war, before it gets out of hand. lolwut......it would take way more ships to actually crush the US Atlantic Fleet at the rate Joe's production of war material at the moment. Also that is also an incredibly huge number of ships deployed in such a short time. How would you actually organize it? Remember there is no fast way of organizing such a lolhuge number of ships in such a short time back then. Even in my posts the number of ships a posted were highly limited because at that time it would be impossible to send that much ships into any form of theater. |
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Post by Ahovking on Feb 23, 2015 14:13:06 GMT
Edited Post due to the shortness and lack of detail. Due to the lack of number of ship the US add in the Atlantic i am guess. Note: A combined force 10 Carriers 45 Battleships, 65 Battlecruisers, 150 Frigates, 200 Heavy Cruisers 300 Destroyers 625 Submarines attack the US Naval Fleets patrol in the Atlantic alerting the Americans of an British attack, Sinking 3 Battleships, 11 destroyers and 9 heavy cruisers before they escaped to the US Eastern Coast, while losing 2 Battlecruisers and 1 Battleships, British overwhelming fire power saved 2 Battleships and another 2 Heavy Cruisers for being too heavily damage to continue, and another 5 Carriers to enough air superiority at sea. Once the British arrived at the american east cost its naval force split into two forces fleet 1) 5 Carriers 5 Escort Carriers, 25 Battleships 65 Battlecruisers 125 Frigates 100 Heavy Cruisers 200 Destroyers 425 Submarines to engage with with American naval forces and Fleet 2) 5 Carriers 10, 25 Battleships 35 Battlecruisers 25 Frigates 100 Heavy Cruisers 100 Destroyers 200 Submarines to protect the first unit form Bombers, Submarines and to provide replacement of a ship once it had sunk. After the battle almost 40 British Battleships, 35 Battlecruisers, 150 Frigates, 300 Heavy Cruisers 100 Destroyers 125 Submarines were lost while crushing the American Atlantic fleetBritish bombers begun to attack costal cities and ports willing up to 200,000 civilians, although this can not be confirmed. England sends message to the US, about an early end to the war, before it gets out of hand. lolwut......it would take way more ships to actually crush the US Atlantic Fleet at the rate Joe's production of war material at the moment. Also that is also an incredibly huge number of ships deployed in such a short time. How would you actually organize it? Remember there is no fast way of organizing such a lolhuge number of ships in such a short time back then. Even in my posts the number of ships a posted were highly limited because at that time it would be impossible to send that much ships into any form of theater. Would you like to provide the numbers of the US? Looking at United States Domestic Thread, the numbers he producing and has really built is not in anyway large enough to stop the British forces in the Atlantic. Before mouseman490 had to leave, mouseman490 was already fearing an attack from you and the United States, We had moved most all of his naval forces to near Europe before war broke out, this is why, we out number you so much and why i am posting very little in Asia. |
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Post by ax3hunter on Feb 23, 2015 14:20:52 GMT
I just pm'd you something important
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Post by Varspasian on Feb 24, 2015 3:57:28 GMT
True. But going to the US east coast without getting detected by the US Navy (especially in a time of war) is highly questionable at best and impossible to do at worst. Do note that a major chunk of the US navy is located in the east coast right now and i would highly doubt Britain's ability to send 5 Aircraft Carriers undetected, unscathed and bombing New York City (note the US is at war and is in high alert) and killing 200.000 thousand civilians without even a plane shot down (you didn't say any plane was shot down).....i think that's a bit unrealistic no? Post edit due to the shortness and lack of detail. (OOC: German U-Boats got to the US east coast literally all the time. Hell, German officers even took strolls on the damn beach. Just saying.) |
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Post by ax3hunter on Feb 24, 2015 8:28:27 GMT
Post edit due to the shortness and lack of detail. (OOC: German U-Boats got to the US east coast literally all the time. Hell, German officers even took strolls on the damn beach. Just saying.) (Quote needed for bolded claim) and no. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Theater_%28World_War_II%29 this front does no count. Sending off a German spy who got caught early on or sending another spy into Canada that essentially turned against Germany's interests are different from sending in 5 Carriers into the US east coast And that was early in the war. In a United States that was just out of the great depression and starting to pump out it's ships en masse |
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Post by joediplomat on Mar 5, 2015 18:24:57 GMT
August 1937
The United States Representative meets with the Quebecois local leaders.....
The US Representatives convince the Quebecois forces to enter the European war and boost allied defenses.
"Greetings gentlemen...We have some great news. England has agreed to the independence of Western Canada. It seems we are all getting our desired goals met, your independence, our borders extended, and the British are being given control of some ports along eastern Canada to maintain trade and shipping with the Americas."
"These terms are acceptable...but why is England maintaining control? I thought they were leaving Canada all together."
"Please understand. They total expulsion from America by England was unacceptable as well. We needed to make some concessions and meet in the middle. Now if we may return to the point of our meeting....There is still a war to be fought in Europe and Asia. While the allies have sufficient man power to eventually win the war, it will be a helluva struggle. If we could use Canadian man power, and Quebecois troops, it will boost Allied man power potential by 11 some-odd million men."
"Impressive numbers. But what makes you think that we want to go to Europe and fight?"
"For one you owe the United States for helping you gain independence in the first place...You owe us your freedom and therefore your men in battle to ensure the world remains free from Communism and Nazis."
"Sigh, when do you want our troops?"
"Immediately. By the end of this month if possible. We are planning a push into the soviet union and we need troops along the Pyrenees MOuntain defensive line. your men are needed on both fronts."
"You shall have the required men in 2 weeks. But after the war, I don't want anything to do with the rest of the world."
"Fine, fine", says the US representative. "But by you wanting to become isolated after the war, means that our friendship will no longer exist and you will no longer be under our protection. Anyone can come and conquer you...ANYONE!"
"We understand. Lets just win your war and go home."
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